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Whether you are interested in taking up flying as a career or for recreational purposes, Liverpool & Phoenix Flying Schools can cater for all your needs.
People from all walks of life have learned to fly with us. Teenagers, students, professionals, mums, dads and retirees have all successfully qualified for their Private Pilot's or Commercial Pilot's Licence.
Flying is more than a new interest. Flying is a new way of life - it will literally broaden your horizon and add a completely new dimension to your life.
You will never forget the unbelievable experience of your first solo flight!
We can offer something special to anyone interested in aircraft and aviation. For example, you may have started your flight training elsewhere and would like to finish it with us. Or you already have your pilot's licence and would like to get endorsed on one of our aircraft; or you may even be looking at furthering your skills. No matter what your objectives are, we can tailor your flight training to suit your needs. We are a small, select team of very experienced professionals focussed on helping you become a safe and competent pilot.
About Camden Airport
Camden Airport is located in a picturesque rural setting, about 60 km southwest of the Sydney CBD and about 5 km from historic Camden. The airport can be reached from the City via the M5, Narellan Rd, Camden Valley Way, Kirkham La, Macquarie Grove Rd and Aerodrome Rd in under 1 hour. Detailed maps of Camden Airport access and surrounding districts can be obtained from www.whereis.com.au.
At Camden you spend less time and money on the ground taxying or waiting for clearance to take off or land than at Bankstown, which is the busiest training airport in Australia. Remember that your paying lesson lasts from engine start-up to engine shutdown!
A sizeable amount of flight training is conducted in the "training area", a large area to the west of Bankstown. All Sydney Basin flight schools use this area, irrespective of which airport they are based at.
Due to Mascot's controlled airspace requirements, Bankstown-based students are forced to fly twice as far to the training area as their Camden counterparts to conduct training at higher levels, which makes Camden an ideal airport for flight training.
In brief, at Camden Airport you can expect more dedicated training per lesson.
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Liverpool & Phoenix Flying Schools
02 4655 9602
or 02 4655 8780
c/o Phoenix Aero Club
Bldg/Hangar 766 (upon entering the airport, turn right and follow the access road past the air traffic control tower to the end)
Cobbitty, NSW 2570
PO Box 43
Hoxton Park, NSW 2171
Getting started in aviation
The best way to "test the water" is to call or come and see us to book a Trial Instructional Flight (TIF). A TIF is an inexpensive way to experience flight first hand with one of our instructors. The TIF is an abridged first lesson, which comprises a 30-min. pre-flight briefing and a 30-min. hands-on flight. You are under no obligation to continue your training with us; however it is the best way for you to assess if Liverpool & Phoenix Flying Schools are the right flight training organisation for you. Like most people, you will want to continue your lessons, in which case the instructional flight will count towards your Private Pilot's Licence training hours.
We can offer you a TIF in one of our Beechcraft Skippers for just $120 inc. GST, landing and tower fees. Do call us to make a booking!
How long does it take to become a pilot?
Learning to fly is not difficult, however it requires your commitment to studying and to practicing what you have learnt.
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA), which issues all pilot licences, publishes a syllabus that details the minimum training requirements to be carried out by an approved flying school.
On average it takes about 65 hours of flight training time to get your Private Pilot's Licence (PPL). Some people will take less time, while others will take longer.
The training includes basic aircraft handling, emergency procedures and navigation.
How long it will take YOU will depend on how often you fly. If you fly every day, you will progress quicker than if you fly only once a month, because you won't have to repeat what you forget in between lessons. Flying every day will get you a PPL in about 10 weeks, weather permitting. Flying once or twice a week will get you a PPL in about 12-15 months depending on good weather conditions, of course.
You need to be 16 years old before your instructor can send you off solo. You can, however, commence your flight training at an earlier age, if you like. You must be 17 years old before you can be recommend for the PPL flight test.
Each lesson takes about 1 hour. However, from the time you arrive at the flying school to the time you leave may take over 2 hours due to the necessary pre-flight and post flight briefings.
At the briefings we discuss what you are going to do, how your lesson went, where you need to do more work, and what you will be learning in your next lesson. These basic briefings are free of charge.
Do I need a medical examination?
Before your first solo flight (about 10-20 hours), you will need to undergo a medical examination by a Designated Aviation Medical Examiner (DAME). The medical is not rigorous.
You will need to list your medical history, and as long as you have reasonable vision (with or without glasses) and no debilitating illness, you will pass the medical.
If you suspect that you may have a problem passing the medical, then it is a good idea to get the examination done prior to commencing any flight training.
Upon completion of your basic training (about 40-45 hours on average) and after passing the Basic Aeronautical Knowledge (BAK) exam, your instructor will recommend you for the General Flying Progress Test (GFPT). Once you have passed the test you will be able to take passengers into the local training area.
Following the GFPT, you will need to undertake a series of cross-country navigation exercises in order to learn to navigate confidently. This normally requires upgrading from our 2-seat Skipper trainer to our bigger, faster 4-seat Piper Warrior, Cessna 172 or Sundowner touring aircraft.
Upon completion of your navigation training (about 20 hours on average) and after passing your PPL exam, your instructor will recommend you for the PPL flight test. Once you have passed this test you will be able to travel anywhere in Australia with passengers, in any aircraft you are endorsed on. Most flying schools will let you hire one of their aircraft after a thorough check flight.
Once you have your PPL, you may wish to do some advanced flight training. You can get a night rating (about 12 hours on average) or a commercial pilot's licence (minimum 150 hours total flight time which includes PPL Parts 1 & 2), which will allow you to get paid to fly. Or for real fun, we can train you in aerobatics!
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Following is an outline of our CASA-approved courses. As each student's aptitude is different, dual hours may need to be extended to ensure a student pilot reaches the required flight test standard. We provide headsets and basic flight briefings up to GFPT free of charge.
All course estimates are effective from 20.12.12, subject to change without notice and include GST (unless otherwise stated), fuel, oil and insurance but exclude landing/movement & tower fees.
No lump sum payments are required up front - you pay as you go.
PRIVATE PILOT'S LICENCE COURSE - PART 1 (GFPT) INC. GST
|25.0 hours dual (Skipper)||@ $243/hour||$6,075.00|
|5.0 hours solo||@ $183/hour||$915.00|
|1.5 hours licence test||@ $243/hour||$364.50|
PRIVATE PILOT'S LICENCE COURSE - PART 2 (PPL) INC. GST
|13.0 hours dual (Warrior/C172)||@ $278/hour||$3,614.00|
|5.0 hours solo||@ $218/hour||$1,090.00|
|3.0 hours licence test||@ $278/hour||$834.00|
COMMERCIAL PILOT'S LICENCE COURSE (CPL)
150-hour minimum course approved by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority. This course includes Private Pilot's Licence Course (Parts 1 & 2). We provide basic pre- and post flight briefings up to GFPT free of charge. You need to be 18 years old before your instructor can recommended you for the CPL flight test.
|150.0 hours dual and solo (various aircraft types) excl. theory tuition & flight tests||$36,500.00 (GST free)|
To prepare for the Basic Aeronautical Knowledge (BAK), PPL and CPL exams, most students prefer to study on their own using the proven Aviation Theory Centre's home study kits, which we can order in for you, if you like.
Alternatively, you can choose one-on-one tuition for $66 per hour inc. GST, as required.
From time to time, we run BAK courses 3 nights a week over 3 weeks (min. 5 students) for $429 inc. GST to help you prepare for the pre-solo, pre-area solo and BAK exams, as well as PPL courses 3 nights a week over 4 weeks (min. 5 students) for $539 inc. GST to help you prepare for the PPL CyberExam©.
Next commencement dates are:
BAK Preparation Course: TBA
PPL Preparation Course: TBA
NIGHT VISUAL FLIGHT RULES (NVFR) RATING INC. GST
|11.0 hours dual (Warrior/C172)||@ $284/hour||$3,124.00|
|2.5 hours licence test||@ $284/hour||$710.00|
AEROBATIC RATING COURSE INC. GST
|7.0 hours dual (Super Decathlon)||@ $350/hour||$2,450.00|
|3.0 hours solo||@ $290/hour||$870.00|
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Student pilots cannot carry passengers on training flights. However, once you have passed the General Flying Progress Test (GFPT), you can carry passengers while operating in the local training area.
Private pilots can carry as many passengers as the aircraft can legally hold (normally three in most touring aircraft). The gross weight of the aircraft and its centre of gravity are also limiting factors, especially when carrying a full load plus baggage.
Only commercial pilots can get paid to fly people around. However, private pilots can get their passengers to contribute to the cost of hiring an aircraft.
Student pilots can only fly in the local training area of their aerodrome.
In Sydney, aircraft from Bankstown and Camden Airports share the same training area, which is located to the west of Bankstown towards Warragamba Dam and down to the south past Camden.
Once you have passed the General Flying Progress Test (GFPT), you will be allowed to take passengers into the local training area.
Private pilots can travel anywhere in Australia from capital city airports to the open expanses of the outback.
Liverpool & Phoenix Flying Schools operate a fleet of aircraft consisting of two Beech 77 Skippers, a Piper Warrior, a Cessna 172N, a Sundowner and a Sierra.
The Skipper has the same general panel and control layout as the bigger Beechcraft Sundowner, Sierra and Duchess, allowing our students to progress to these larger and more complex aircraft with ease and in the shortest possible time.
Finally, we can offer you something very special. We also have access to a Bellanca Super Decathlon based at Bathurst Airport for tail wheel endorsements and aerobatic training. The Super Decathlon is one of only a few of these superb, fully aerobatic aeroplanes available for training in Australia.
Liverpool Flying School was owned and operated by Rene Ledergerber and Ruth Klingler for 26 years and sold to the Phoenix Aero Club www.phoenix.org.au in April 2011.
Rene remains our Chief Flight Instructor & Chief Pilot. Rene has been flying for over 40 years, in which he has logged well over 15,000 hours of charter and instructional flight. He is also an Approved Testing Officer (ATO) and conducts Private Pilot's Licence and Commercial Pilot's Licence Tests on behalf of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
Rene is, of course, a Grade 1 Flight Instructor with multi-engine and Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) endorsements, and he has an outstanding safety record.
Rene is assisted by a small, select team of very experienced Flight Instructors, Mike, Senja & Yehoshua, who were chosen for their professionalism, excellent airmanship and pleasant personality.
Why are Liverpool & Phoenix Flying Schools different from others?
Of course, when you do a TIF you will be able to inspect our facilities and aircraft and meet our instructors over a cup of tea or coffee.
We do not run courses on fixed dates, but try to tailor your flight training to suit your needs. We aim to provide you with your own personal instructor, thus offering the best possible training. All our aircraft are well maintained and well equipped. When taking your family or friends flying, you can rest assured that they will feel safe and comfortable flying with you.
Furthermore, we provide tail-wheel endorsements and aerobatic training at Bathurst Airport. But most important of all, we aim to make learning to fly fun, in an informal yet professional environment, which is what flying is all about. Do come and see us soon!
|Beechcraft Skipper, 115 hp||$243||$183|
|Piper Warrior & Cessna 172, 161 hp||$278||$218|
|Beechcraft Sundowner, 180 hp||$298||$238|
|Beechcraft Sierra, 200 hp||$370||$310|
|Bellanca Super Decathlon (based at BTH), 180 hp||$350||$290|
|Instructor Hire (training in own aircraft)||$100||$60|
|Trial Instructional Flight (Skipper or PA-28/C172N)*||$120 or $145||n/a|
|Theory Tuition, Advanced Briefings & Flight Test Fees||
|Late Cancellation Fee**||$55||n/a|
* To secure a booking, payment in advance is required. We accept cash, EFTPOS, Visa, MasterCard & EFT.
** To avoid a late cancellation fee, please remember to give us at least 24 hours’ notice, so another student can take your place.
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